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Actually its nice to know who is doing that so I can boycott them.

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Outsourcing/Offshoring is killing the U.S. Economy. It is creating High Unemployment,
continuing the longest Recession since WW2, and eroding the Tax Base at an alarming pace.

All H-1b Visas and L1-b Visas must be repealed. These laws have legalizing the export of thousands of highly paid 'white collar jobs'
to countries where workers are paid a fraction of America wages and don't pay taxes.

These policies are exporting the 'American Way of Life' and selling out the
'Future of the Next Generation of Americans'.

The last time this policy of Fair Trade was attempted in the United States was back in 1890.
The Fair Trade Experiement ended in 1929 with the Stock Market Crash, Great Depression, and the Banking Panic.
Since then, regulations were legislated into law to prevent against another Economic Collapse of this magnatude
but these regulations have been lifted through De-Regulation Laws in the past 10 years.

And if this megatrend is allowed to continue, another Economic Collapse or Revolution is inevitable.

The New Business Model "Employ Cheap Foreign Workers while charging High American Prices" has already started to fail.
Gains are only seen on Wall Street and the profits never trickle down. CEOs believe 'Greed Is Good' and they practice it
every day when they 'Downsize' their companies, 'Offshore' American Jobs, and give themselves huge bonuses.
Corporate executives never re-invest their companies profits. 'Downward Mobility' will become commonplace in America
in the next 5 years.

CEOs can not control their Greed. Only strong legislation against Offshoring will stop the negative effects of this business practice.
It's call Regulation and it's what existed before Re-Regulation came along.

Unless this is stopped, all Americans in all walks of life will be doomed to working at lower paying jobs at places like 'Home Depot' or 'Burger King'.

When NAFTA and GATT were passed our political leaders said that help would come for those who lose their jobs due to foreign trade. The help never came as millions lost their jobs and drifted into a silent depression. Free Trade was based on moving jobs and factories and not really based on trading products.
The vast middle class created by the WW2 generation is now dying while a working poor class takes over.
The free traders still talk as if Free Trade is something new and workable although there is now over a ten year history of failures. Both spouses now work but still find it difficult to support their families with some even homeless even though they are working.
Now the high tech jobs are being outsourced to other lands and we now know that the real commodities of Free Trade were workers and not really products. The government backs this Pearl Harbor attack on workers and there seems to be no end in sight as more and more jobs are exported to the cheaper labor markets of the world.
Now Free Trade and Globalism is fostering wars and terrorism and the Global economy affects more and more burn out societies.
View the Cross 9/11 Tangle of Terror artwork by Ray Tapajna asking who will now untangle the terror Globalism and Free Trade have bred at Tapart News and Art that Talks at http://yestapart.bizland.com/tapartnews. Read America in Terror by Chuck Harder and see top newspaper story featuring the American Dream is Burning at http://tapsnewstory.filetap.com and also view The Clinton Years - The American Dream Reversed, Locked out Workers bearing their Cross, Bush League wars and the Pearl Harbor Attack on Workers at http://arklineart.fotopages.com
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FYI-
The presentation earlier this month about the latest status of hitech corporate offshoring (it's causes and concerns) is now online at: http://www.professionallyspeaking.org/archive.htm (at the bottom). You may also be just interested in the powerpoint slides, which are also posted in the same location. The presenter is the President of InFocus Corp. and he's a member of a hitech committee that studies this issue and advises the state and federal governments. It's very comprehensive and concise.

some valid points but rarely in these and other discussions on offshoring does the point of a solution come about...repealing visas is hardly a start as it would trigger similar sanctions from other nations. how about training and education on the issue, it is not new, it has existed for hundreds of years. i do have a bias i do business with us companies in india but on every project i quantify the net gain to a country and it is always a win win. if i decided not to complete a project solely based on nationalism, the us would lose b/c i would not have any revenue to be taxed in the us. in addition my clients would go to another firm and that firm could be foreign based yielding a lose lose situation economically. it is time to accept reality and educate and train more people here for a better world not just a better us.

Well, not to promote my website, but come on by!

Unfortunately, the world is larger than the USA - which, incidentally, has been offshoring it's manufacturing to the far east for decades (and look how it helped to develop Japan), not to mention oil production...

Sympathetically, agri-farmers in the UK are having a really tough time as we almost totally survive on imported (and low quality) foods, due to reduced financial subsidies for farmers and nearly no available government assistance or grants.

The temptation, like everyone else who has a family, is to bring in the cash and so, in particular, farmers frequently sell their land for housing.

Unfortunately, the world we live in deems us to remain competitive, as people search for the cheapest beans in the supermarket, the cheapest line rental for their mobile, the cheapest home audio system, they all unconsciously contribute to offshoring.

Can you not say you are guilty of at least one of these?

We run a neutral forum for the un-bias discussion of offshoring.
harriet@ictcomms.com

hi everyone, well i found this site while i was researching corporate offshoring and i got some good stuff, thank you all. but i wanted to ask if anyone has any opinions, stats, on the U.S economy and with the whole corporate offshoring thing would you please e-mail it to me? Maddymiss@aol.com thank you i really appreciate it, by the way i am in public forum a.k.a ted turner debate and the topic is: resolved, corporate offshoring aids in the economic development of the united states.
so anything pertaining to the topic would be awesome! thank you to those of you who reply!
:* Brooke

Like Brooke, I am also doing Ted Turner/Public Forum. Same topic as Brooke:

Resolved, Corporate offshoring aids in the economic development of the United States.

I would appreciate it if anyone sent me anything to do with the topic A.S.A.P.(opinions, info, stats etc.)It can be on any side of the issue(I have to write an aff and neg speech.) Thanks for everything on the site and anything you send me in the future.

e-mail: greenling89@yahoo.com

This is an awesome website! It also seems to be a popular find of Highschool Debate students. Sara and Brooke, have you had any luck? I am doing Public Forum Debate and I know hardly anything about it or corporate offshoring. This site has helped very much. Thank you. If anyone has any other comments or opinions or statistics about corporate offshoring, please post it on here or email me. Thank you so much!

-Kjersten

email: kjersten.adams@w.beaver.k12.ut.us

All the articles you link to in your opening paragraph were written in 2003. Do you have any current articles that talk about offshoring?

yeah i'm also in ted turner debate if you guys aren't getting to sick of us yet i could really use any information you have about corporate offshoring! my email's peachy7531@yahoo.com.thanks!

how do you negate that offshoring helps us at all?

Offshoring is widely exaggerated by the left. You have to remember the Skill paradigm here. We are offshoring our jobs like working in a factory, etc., so this will, according to theory, force workers in the United States to move up to higher level education, and get more skills; so instead of having a population of mouth breathing, knuckle dragging buffoons, we'll have a highly educated workforce, specializing in things other than assembly and programming.


And, why should corporations keep the jobs over here, when they can get little Charu Gupta over in New Delhi to do it for cheaper? How does that help us? Sure, you may think companies could make their products cheaper, but by making them isolated to the U.S. job market, they would then have an excuse to raise prices from what they are.

Well I guess that just about every Public Forum Debate person has found this webpage. While you are sending everyone else information, would you please send me a copy of the stats and other useful information. My e-mail address is michelle_deibele@hotmail.com . Thank you so much for your time.

This is crap. I cant find anyhting about my topic.

I'm doing Ted Turner and me and my partner need some AFF for our debate speech. Like Ashley said this is crap!!!!!

I'm doing Ted Turner and my partner and I need some AFF for our debate speech.Wich you have none of.Like Ashley said this is crap!!!!!

Wow. Yet another Public Forum debater here. I wish I'd founf this site sooner, because maybe then whoever actually KNOWS about this topic would be more willing to help me...

Of course, if you're still willing out of the goodness of your heart to e-mail me ANY info, or links to info that you know of, I would greatly appreciate it! e-mail is GoTheDistance06@aol.com, and I'll willingly accept anything from now until the end of December!

And by the way, Caleb, you were incredibly rude to say that "this is crap". It's an excellent site for info. What you seem to not understand is that not every website is REQUIRED to present both sides.

Okay people, you want something? Only around 2.5% of the jobs that U.S. companies layed off of American's were outsourced to other nations, or were layed off so they could be outsourced. Their Dumbass(Caleb), ya happy? Is that enough for you, you stupid prick?

Wow, a lot of public forum debaters use google as their search engine because this is the first site you get. Of course i will use the stats at the beginning of this article for cheap con evidence, but the fact is that there are more benefits of corporate offshoring than the jobs being relocated point to.

I am currently enrolled in debate and right now we are doing a public forum debate on corporate offshoring aids in the economic developement of the United States.And i was wondering if u could send me evidence about this topic.
Thank You

OK listen I wasn't saying the website was crap I was saying that it was crap that I couldn't find any AFF stuff (anywere not just here). I didn't realize that my wording was like that till now. I'm sorry that you thought that but thats not what I meant. Once again I'm sorry.This is a great website it helped me alot.

P.S. Sam were do you get off at calling me a dumbass and a stupid prick I mean come on I didn't say nothing that deserved that. My bad I messed up my wording but you don't hae to say stuff like that. I can understand rude because it sounded like I was a jerk but once again thats not what I meant at all.

man this website sucks all you pepes need to get a life.

Caleb, you stupid Hick. Yeah, I changed prick to hick, but the idea is still the same."I didn't say nothing that deserved that"-Caleb, last post. See? That's called a Double Negative, you jackass. Therefore, you did say something to deserve that. You stupid piece of shit. God damnit, you stupid ass n00b debaters, using Google. Use a real search engine, you dumb pricks.

Take your bickering and name calling somewhere else. I will delete any further comments of that nature.

Beau (Senior Prick at bmonday.com)

"There is much to do with hate, but more with love" -Shakespeare


I agree. Name calling is unecessary (sp?).
Anywho, I am yet another debater. Any info/help you can provide on Corporate offshoring would be wonderful! It's better to know both sides of the arguement anyway. My email is: DevUhNizzle@yahoo.com

Thank you for your time.

Hey debaters... this months topic is crazy.... there is not a lot of info on it! So if anyone wants to help e-mail me at rhodanasnider@msn.com... thanks a millon

I personally think you are all getting ay to worked up in your own opinion. Who ever up there is callng Cleb a jackass you should see it from their view point. If you you were pro and the other person as neg, then you turn the thing a round and see what resources you would use. So before you think youre all of that y uo should take a minute to think, You just got served. To bad it had to blow up in your face.

this is soooooo super cool! cuz i'm (yet another) public forum debater and everyone was saying how the con side was a bitch and now i have evidence and what would be so nice would be if you could send me some of this fun stuff at limbo_down@hotmail.com. Thank you much!!! oh, caleb and ashely, you guys are dumb. Ashley, how did you not find anything here and caleb, you obviously havent looked very hard for aff stuff. Have you even looked ye?

i think lindsay is right!! get over it and look!!!

wow all you big pf debaters really must not be thinking very well. dont get me wrong i do public forum too, i love it, and i am good at it. a tip to every one having trouble with the pro side just think deeper into the wording and use the wording to your advantage.

hey d-rock from south dakota what do you mean think deeper into the wording because the pro side of this is making me mad and use it to your advantage well i would be extramly pleased if you would explain it to me

any info would be greatly appriciated Kari_Davi_420@hotmail.com

Our subject is corporate offshoring aids in the economic developement of the United States, I think it is about taking different factories over seas to india, brazil, ireland(etc.). They are thinking of moving factories over there for the purpose of this moving is to ensure jobs in other places, while in the U.S, and Europe, we are losing jobs. Therefor the purpose of moving these factories is to cheaper labor, while at the same time not as good of quality work.
Thank You,
Alicia Korger

do to me not being on for a while, my partner is alicia and that isnt her real name, just to let you know that i was the one who typed that above thank you always angela

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